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PostSubject: Terracan egr   Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:26 pm


Ok I said I would need help, but I didn't think it would be this quick. I've got hold of a blanking plate for Terra Crdi 2.9 2005 auto. Where on the egr does it go. I have two choices :- either placed vertically to a pipe coming from the rear of the engine OR flat under the base of the egr itself. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards to All.
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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:08 am


Personally, I would just leave it as it is. The 2.9 is a pretty reliable oil burner. Why do you need to fit a blanking plate?

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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:14 pm

Hi Jas, I was hoping that you would post a reply on this one.
Please appreciate that I have De-EGR'd normal Aspirated Landys and a Tdi Freely with excellent results in fuel consumption and the general far superior smooth running of the engines.

This problem with the Terri started in the hot weather of the last week during which I was towing a well laden double axle trailer. Coming to a halt at a set of traffic lights it started to idle very irregularly setting the whole car into a rocking motion. The driving of the car appeared to be no different but the moment I stopped and allowed it to idle it was obvious that there was a problem.

A trip to my Hyundai Dealer ended in a bill of a couple of hundred pounds and the loss of the car for the day. The fault - the EGR - encrusted, caked and otherwise not working properly. They de-crusted, cleaned and installed - All seeming back to normal.

My thoughts are - If I block off the cause of the problem at the exhaust inlet junction, the engine will breath cleaner and I will avoid the problem and the cost in the future.......................

Please feel free to jump in and give me your thoughts on this even if you think I'm barking up the wrong tree or just 'barking'. ALL feedback is valuable to 'Newbies' like me and any others reading the threads who come across the same problem

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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:01 pm

If they hyundai main dealer has sorted out the problem then IMO I would leave well alone. The Terracan has had millions in research and development like any other 4x4 to make it work. If Hyundai thought that blanking off or removing the egr would improve power or fuel economy then they would have.
You have experience with landies but what effect this will have on a Terracan I do not know. If you really want to do this then you will have to have a play with it to see what would be best.

I went from a standard 2.9drdi Terracan oil burner and I added a stage 1&2 dyno tuning & sports exhaust which gave me 75bhp & 100lbs of torque + many problems for 3 months.
In the end I removed all so called "upgrades", returning the engine to its standard specifications and had 5 years of trouble free Terracan.

As the problem was the poor idle tickover due to a blocked egr valve, that is fixed, why not leave it alone?
If anything I would be inclined to save my money and have more frequent services or ASAP have a full service and a engine and intercooler flush.

You might of looked after the vehicle well but if there are any previous owners they might not have.

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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:50 am

Ooh I've just been put back into short trousers and made to stand in the corner.

Jas I fully accept your admonishment and accept your explanation. I had no idea that all of the upgrades that you had completed have been taken back to standard. I will take the advice of the initiated as someone who knows far more than I. adore

Seriously... Thankyou, you've probably saved me a lot of heart ache.

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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:05 am

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Ooh I've just been put back into short trousers and made to stand in the corner.

Jas I fully accept your admonishment and accept your explanation. I had no idea that all of the upgrades that you had completed have been taken back to standard. I will take the advice of the initiated as someone who knows far more than I. adore

Seriously... Thankyou, you've probably saved me a lot of heart ache.

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Its up to you as its your money at the end of the day. But In my experience its not worth it, and to be honest the Terracan has enough torque anyway.
The way I see it if I needed a bigger motor, or more power of torque Id get a bigger vehicle Like a Land Cruiser Amazon or the new 200 series etc.
Ive spend £££££ on parts and accessories and got nowhere. Often spending half that amount on the right vehicle and having no problems. If the Terracan can't cut it with you look for something that will. clinking teacups

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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:33 am

First problem, if you blank the EGR the engine management will compensate for this, but it will clog the pipe and any crusty deposits can fall back down the pipe.

If you leave it alone there are a few things you can do simply to prevent it clogging:

1/ Driving style affects the EGR significantly, if you do a lot of stop start town work or heavy towing, or a combination of these three it will clog up quicker due to its operating parameters, you can minimise this by taking a simple step, with the vehicle fully up to temperature you find a locak dual carriageway and blast it up the slip road with the throttle pedal welded to the floor. This will open it and the resulting gas flow will be at its highest and hottest and will burn away lots of the accumulated muck. If you do this once a week it will minimise the accumulated muck to nothing.

2/ Add some fuel system cleaner which cleans the exhaust system as well, to the diesel; the fumes will pass through the EGR and will help clean any deposits away. Do this once a year and preferably in the summer when its hot as there is no damp in the air, any damp bakes the accumuated deposits to the EGR and takes the cleaner longer to work.

3/ Every two or three years strip the EGR, its very easily done and soak it in petrol or brake cleaner, this will remove any deposits and ensure its totally clean, and it will only cost you a few £££'s unlike a dealer who will do exactly the same and charge you accordingly.

4/ Depending upon engine variant and actuation type - if yours has an actuation bar you need to keep this lubricated using copper grease, don't use oil or ordinary grease as this won't stand the temperatures, also coat any linkages.

This is fairly minimal work and will ensure your vehicles EGR is kept in tip top condition.
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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:58 pm

Good advice there guys. One other point to remember is that technically speaking, removal/blanking of EGR should be MOT failre, if spotted.

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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:26 am

Unfortunately the MOT testers will spot most of them as VOSA have now put pictures of many vehicles on their website for testers to study. Due to the way they fit it will be easy for MOT testers to spot the majority of them.
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PostSubject: Gummed EGR   Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:59 am

Hi guys, thought I would post my experiences with EGR probs.

As I was in the middle of France with no other option I had in my emergency kit a can of EGR cleaning spray, I simply removed the top of the air cleaner box and started the engine, then sprayed the fluid into the inlet tract as per directions until the can was empty. The difference was amazing, but the application was as scary as hell as the knocking is LOUD! until the liquid is burned.

I will strip and clean the unit this summer however, but I still keep a can in the kit!

In my opinion there is no secret to keeping smokers running smooth other than giving them a good blast down a dual carriageway now and again for at least ten miles to super heat everything in the exhaust tract and burn off the crud that block everything up.
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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Fri May 10, 2013 6:18 pm

Hi, have had a similar problem with my Terri and am new to this and was hoping someone could tell me where abouts the egr is located as I can't seem to find it, I have the 2004 model and what a vehicle it is but I'm currently contemplating ridding myself of it due to the headaches of what seems like it could be a simple repair.

I have replaced many a part at a substantial cost to include an injector that had a high firing point, the valve on the injector pump, fuel filter and many more still the elm keeps coming up and it smokes like hell, any help would be much appreciated as this is my first Terri.
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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Tue May 14, 2013 12:55 am

Terra me wrote:
Hi, have had a similar problem with my Terri and am new to this and was hoping someone could tell me where abouts the egr is located as I can't seem to find it, I have the 2004 model and what a vehicle it is but I'm currently contemplating ridding myself of it due to the headaches of what seems like it could be a simple repair.

I have replaced many a part at a substantial cost to include an injector that had a high firing point, the valve on the injector pump, fuel filter and many more still the elm keeps coming up and it smokes like hell, any help would be much appreciated as this is my first Terri.

On every tank of diesel I use an additive to clean the fuel system and injectors, it also cleans the crud out of the EGR and Turbo. I use Redex for Diesel. I used it double strength on the first fill up and regular strength since then. My unjectors are sweet and clean, the engine runs well and returns great MPG.
From the problems you have had repairs on, it sounds like the car has been filled with poor quality or dirty diesel at some time, the parts you mention are the first to go, but unlless the company / garage you had it done by has filtered the tank contents you may experience more issues. Just replacing the fuel filter will not do. The tank has to be drained and cleaned to remove the contamination pushed in there by the injector pump bypass. The last time I did one there were about 20 grammes of bronze filings in the tank from the pump when it went pop. Which soon clogs the fuel filter all over again.
Keep the fuel, and injectors clean and it will behave itself.

It costs little money to put some Redex Diesel in there before you top off the tank with fuel. and it should help a lot!

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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Tue May 14, 2013 3:23 am

Terracould wrote:
Terra me wrote:
Hi, have had a similar problem with my Terri and am new to this and was hoping someone could tell me where abouts the egr is located as I can't seem to find it, I have the 2004 model and what a vehicle it is but I'm currently contemplating ridding myself of it due to the headaches of what seems like it could be a simple repair.

I have replaced many a part at a substantial cost to include an injector that had a high firing point, the valve on the injector pump, fuel filter and many more still the elm keeps coming up and it smokes like hell, any help would be much appreciated as this is my first Terri.

On every tank of diesel I use an additive to clean the fuel system and injectors, it also cleans the crud out of the EGR and Turbo. I use Redex for Diesel. I used it double strength on the first fill up and regular strength since then. My unjectors are sweet and clean, the engine runs well and returns great MPG.
From the problems you have had repairs on, it sounds like the car has been filled with poor quality or dirty diesel at some time, the parts you mention are the first to go, but unlless the company / garage you had it done by has filtered the tank contents you may experience more issues. Just replacing the fuel filter will not do. The tank has to be drained and cleaned to remove the contamination pushed in there by the injector pump bypass. The last time I did one there were about 20 grammes of bronze filings in the tank from the pump when it went pop. Which soon clogs the fuel filter all over again.
Keep the fuel, and injectors clean and it will behave itself.

It costs little money to put some Redex Diesel in there before you top off the tank with fuel. and it should help a lot!




Thanks very much for your response, I have already used redex and used the whole bottle on 2 consecutive refuels and this too has not worked, Its really frustrating me now after many an hour spent trying to get her up to scratch again but I will try getting the tank off and flushed in the mean time any more help will be much appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Wed May 15, 2013 3:06 am

Terra me wrote:
Hi, have had a similar problem with my Terri and am new to this and was hoping someone could tell me where abouts the egr is located as I can't seem to find it, I have the 2004 model and what a vehicle it is but I'm currently contemplating ridding myself of it due to the headaches of what seems like it could be a simple repair.

I have replaced many a part at a substantial cost to include an injector that had a high firing point, the valve on the injector pump, fuel filter and many more still the elm keeps coming up and it smokes like hell, any help would be much appreciated as this is my first Terri.

Have you checked the exhaust mainly the catalyst converter and silencers? They can break down and crumble from the inside not just on Terracan's but other Pajeros's which are similar in model.

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PostSubject: Re: Terracan egr   Wed May 15, 2013 3:11 am


& my method for identifying problems with vehicles is I usually take them to the main dealers, pay the £80 surcharge for fault finding and if possible I then fix the problem myself, its nice to fix it myself and save a bunch of money but when I commute daily and used it I needed to get it done by the next day.
Ill ask around the Terry regulars and see if they can help, unfortunately there too engaged in beating up there trucks in the bush to come on here lol.

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