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PostSubject: Petrol and diesel engines to be phased out   Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:39 am

My German mate Ralf was telling me that German government are phasing out diesels. This prompted me to do some research and amazingly I found this article - http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a31097/german-government-votes-to-ban-internal-combustion-engines-by-2030/

Could this be possible? Seems a long way off, but actually that's only 13 years away, and we know how time seems to go quicker the older one gets. Scary!

No petrol or diesel engines? Crazy! Yes it's Germany, but this could spread across France, Spain, all of Europe in fact. Even Brexit may not stop the march of the greenies!

Like I've said many times before around the camp fire, I'm glad (not to mention very lucky) I've lived/am living through my period in history, when driving early on was free of speed cameras, sleeping policemen, Sunday afternoon drives on empty roads were a joy, fuel was cheap by comparison to now, you could even afford to race Range Rovers off-road, etc. etc. etc. That's just motoring thoughts of course, even worse to have threat of a potential world war just around the corner like in the first half of last century. Very lucky indeed!

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PostSubject: Re: Petrol and diesel engines to be phased out   Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:26 pm

It is coming at some point. There is a limit to fossil fuels and one day extracting the dregs will just be too costly. To be honest, if some company could produce a swap-in alternative fuel engine that gave the same performance as Tembo's 200 Tdi and wasn't insanely complicated to hook up, I would go for it. I think 2030 is going to be more than a bit ambitious however. For personal vehicles maybe, but replace all the hydrocarbon engines in lorry's and heavy equipment? And it may work in Europe but the rest of the world? Africa on electric cars? I also have a hard time envisioning a bunch of Americans standing around their gleaming rods and bragging about how many watts this baby cranks out!

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PostSubject: Re: Petrol and diesel engines to be phased out   Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:50 pm

Quite! Then of course there will always be special dispensations for classic cars, by which time half of the Land Rovers in existence will be of the correct age.

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PostSubject: Re: Petrol and diesel engines to be phased out   Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:21 pm

In a previous life I worked for a large oil company as a test driver we were running test cars normal family hatchbacks as well as large executive saloons that were capable of well in excess of 90mpg in the early 1990s with the aid of fuel and oil additives.

We also had a small fleet of 1600cc 16 valve family saloons that to my knowledge we run for thousands of miles with no oil in the sump but were run for an hour or so with a medium that was then drained.
The cars would then do 500 miles before going into the workshop to have the engines stripped down to there constituent parts measured up and rebuilt.
Then 1000 miles before the procedure was repeated I personally did 5 sets of the tests on the car so at least one of them had done 5500 miles oil less, the test were still running when I left to pursue a career in ballet.

And they were also doing experiments on Hydrogen and other alternative fuels including hydro and magnetic engines.

I remember one of the scientists telling me the alternative to fossil fuels were already in place but they were masked and patents etc were bought up and there was no was the large oil companies would let them out into the public domain until they could secure their financial security from fossil fuels.

Oil companies and governments will keep on with fossil fuels until the inevitable happens as the revenue strain from the production and taxation are so critical to them.
I expected the obvious to happen after being conned into swapping our petrol cars for diesels (more economical ??) the tax on said diesel increased year on year.
In the not too distant future the tax will steadily increase until in the name of saving the planet diesel cars (not sure about HGVs as that's another argument) will be taxed so heavily it will make your nose bleed and head spin.

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PostSubject: Re: Petrol and diesel engines to be phased out   Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:37 am

Yep, it's all about generating income, No. 1 priority for the government.

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PostSubject: Re: Petrol and diesel engines to be phased out   Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:15 pm

Its always about money and remember the oil lobby are very rich and extremely powerful, do you know you can even get a nuclear powered car running off Thorium and about £60 worth of thorium can power it for over 100,000 miles.
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PostSubject: Re: Petrol and diesel engines to be phased out   Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:42 am

Never heard of Thorium before, sounds like something they'd use on 60's Star Trek. They reckon a car has been invented that can run for 100 years with just 8 grammes of the fuel.

A great boast that, nothing to do with the fact that nobody around today would ever live to verify/disprove the theory! A definite win win for the claimants.

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PostSubject: Re: Petrol and diesel engines to be phased out   Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:26 am

I thought someone had got a car to run on water??

Or am I just dreaming! clinking teacups

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PostSubject: Re: Petrol and diesel engines to be phased out   Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:59 pm

Yes, they did and were immediately silenced, there are many variants of hydrogen as it is the most abundant element and it makes sense to run vehicles on them.

I run a variant of that, this is called HHO and is hydrogen + hydrogen + oxygen and is made solely from rain water and wind power, basically you make a stainless steel HHO generator and fill it with rain water and apply 2 volts per negative plate and you get hydrogen X 2 and oxygen X 1 part.

Around 30 years ago Europe tried to cut emissions and went down the diesel route and commerce entered the fray and they chose to tax it (it was a long term European revenue plan) and they chose CO2 as it was the cheapest system to implement and yielded the highest return in taxation revenue.
Asia went down the electric route and chose fuel cells using hydrogen coupled to electrical drives and in Tokyo they built a number of hydrolysis plants collecting rain water and using traditional hydrolysis using solar panels so these plants produce free hydrogen from rain and sun, and yes you can fill your hydrogen car up there for very little, the drawback is the limited quantities of hydrogen they produce using inefficient solar.

I have a current eco project running and this is 4 houses and they have no mains gas and run solely on HHO produced on site, this is a mini wind turbine charging a bank of 12v batteries, these are connected to the HHO generator with a supply of rain water and it produces about 77 litres of HHO using 20 amps, this is then put through a scrubber which is clean water and it feeds a commercial gas bladder. When the gas bladder is 90% full it activates a 12v gas pump which fills a 3500 litre commercial gas storage tank, the tank can be filled from empty in 39 minutes and due to the HHO containing the oxygen molecule it burns much hotter than mains gas.

Our system only cuts in when the gas storage tank is half empty and 1/2 a tank lasts all 4 houses 6 months before it cuts in during the cold winter months due to the much hotter flame in the gas boilers (standard combi boilers) which are regulated by the boilers thermostatic control on the burner so they heat the system much quicker and use much less gas for a given output. They also give a hotter flame in gas cookers so you use much less gas during cooking and cook quicker in most cases.

In reality the system only kicks in twice a year so there is a surplus of gas if required and we have a bottling facility and we fill gas bottles, you can weld on gas alone if you gas weld, and you can braze or solder with ease, with several filled gas bottles we can connect other properties to HHO and with the battery packs having months to charge there is much more scope to produce more gas for free.

What work has to be done and what does it cost? I built the system for under £1000 and if this is divided between the four properties it equates to £250 each which is less then one quarters utility bills for a small home, and with the spare capacity and the fact you can bottle gas you can run a fuel cell in a car, you can throw a couple of gas bottles in the boot and have approaching 2000 miles of free running of your car.
Every week you have to change the water in the bubbler which means draining it and cleaning it out, you then add 3 gallons of clean, filtered tap water to it to fill it up.
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