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| Is It Legal? not in most cases | |
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Assassin Terrain Expert
Posts : 1227 Join date : 2010-12-27
| Subject: Is It Legal? not in most cases Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:02 am | |
| For many years I have never paid any parking tickets, fixed penalty notices, neither have any of my employees or companies, and many people want to know how its done legally and without repercussions, I will now point people in the right direction to do this by understanding the laws (Acts & Statutes) and secondary legislation this country runs under. By understanding this and basically knowing the rules you can avoid paying many of these unjust and unwarranted fines and avoid the basic mistakes many people make when dealing with uniformed Police officers; and civil enforcement officers who have less power than an average citizen. How many people see a uniform and think they have a legal obligation to comply with their requests? maybe you're a smoker who has dropped a cigarette butt, or maybe someone who has parked and has received a FPN (Fixed Penalty Notice) and why you don't legally have to comply with any of these requests. BEFORE GOING ANY FURTHER I WILL STATE THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED LEGAL ADVICE, IT IS MERELY POINTING PEOPLE IN THE DIRECTION OF THE LEGAL ADVICE FREELY AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET WHICH IS LEGALLY PROVEN. NO RESPONSIBILITY CAN BE ACCEPTED BY MYSELF AS THE AUTHOR, OR THE OWNERS OF THIS SITE, AND ANYONE FOLLOWING ANY ADVICE DOES SO AT THEIR OWN RISK. Before we begin I would stress that people need to be open minded and thoroughly understand what is said, many sites exist giving information and some have an agenda, some seem a little off the planet, but reputable sites will give other reputable references, particularly to points of law, and I would advocate that people don't take my word for what I am about to write, but check it out for themselves as this is possible quickly and easily online. How many people understand that the UK operates under a system called "Common Law" as we have a Monarchy, The Queen; many other countries operate as a Republic by having no Monarchy and have an elected President instead, most of Europe is Republics and they operate not under Common Law, but Civil Law. Much of the UK now operates under Civil Law and this includes your speeding tickets, parking tickets, and even your council tax. We also need to understand a fundamental principle of Common Law is that Common Law only applies with the CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED. which is you and I, and if we don't consent it has no power at all. The UK is a company, or to be more accurate a corporation as it is registered at Companies House as a company, don't believe me then check it out by going to Companies House and doing a search for UK LTD or company number 08051038 and it will show the registration address as 14 Hanover Street which is a Government owned building. It regularly changes its name and has previously been known as United Kingdom Corporation and United Kingdom PLC, and they change its name to try to stop people like myself from finding this information. Corporations and companies are essentially the same thing, the major difference is that a corporation has a heirachy and a structure of rules which must be followed by all employees, this is the only difference between a corporation and a company. We must also understand that any corporation or company exists to make a profit and it has a Director/owner and shareholders who all receive dividends from the profits. What might surprise people is that EVERY Government Department is a company, don't believe me then check it out yourself. House of Lords the highest court in the land is a corporation, as is the House of Commons, magistrates courts who trade as Ministry of Justice, every hospital, school, Police force or Police authority, Council/local authority, DVLA, and even Social Services are a company trading as Social Sercives PLC. Why is this important? because Civil law is the legislation used to enforce many of these fines upon people and to do this they have to get people to consent to this by getting them to enter into a contract with them, if they don't get you into a contract they cannot do anything legally to force you to pay, this same legislation applies to anything, debt, council tax, parking fines, and anything else which is covered by Civil law. Cameron, B.Liar, Brown, and all the major politicians are registered companies as well. If we look at common Law it clearly states it must be equally applied, its important to remember this, equally its also important to know that Acts and Statutes can only be applied to THE PERSON and not a man or woman, and to do this Government create a fallacy called THE PERSON, to do this they create a LEGAL FICTION which is basically duping someone to creating it. When you have a child you apply to register it as you assume you have to under law, in reality you don't have to register a birth, and to do this they create a legal fiction called THE PERSON by using the parent to register the birth, if you look at your, or your childrens birth certificate you will see your surname in capital letters and this is for a reason as capitals mean it removes your status to the lowest status. By registering a birth you see a decleration at the bottom of the certificate which states that a man or woman acts for THE PERSON (which is a legal fiction, a fantasy) to register a childs birth and to give it a title of A PERSON under law and most people don't realise this is nothing more than a fantasy. Reinforcing this fantasy is a title, this is generally Mr, Mrs, Miss, Ms, PC, Dr or any other title, but if you look at your birth certificate this title is not present as you were not registered as Mr John Doe or Miss jane Doe, so again its a fiction. What has this to do with avoiding fines? now we understand that the UK is a corporation operating for profit we generally think its employees are civil servants, WRONG, anyone with a National Insurance Number which is you and I are employees of the UK Corporation and we have to abide by its rules, but actually we dont as we have no contract with our employers UK LTD and we are entitled to one under employment law. By not having one we don't have to subscribe to any of the rules they impose, and any Act or Statute can only be applied to THE PERSON and not a man or a woman, therefore legally they are prosecuting a birth certificate which is the legal fiction they the Government have created, which is a piece of paper. Here it gets interesting. Many forms or methods are used to force you into a contract, and its actually contract law which applies as you a contract is something they try to coerce you into using various methods, the main one being to get you the man or woman to represent the legal fiction which is THE PERSON, and they do this they use a piece a foreign language called LEGALESE which is a different language in English, but its words mean different things. As an example if you are arrested a constable will read your rights than ask the question DO YOU UNDERSTAND and then record your response. Legalese is the language of The Law Society, another registered corporation and anyone can register a corporation or society and use their own language or terminology. If a constable asks if you understand he is using the word UNDERSTAND not under plain English, but under Legalese as the word UNDERSTAND actually means to STAND UNDER, which means you have entered a verbal (legally binding) contract with him/her to stand under their authority which gives the constable a legally binding contract to impose his/her will or authority upon you; this is the reason they HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION AND RECORD IN WRITING THE RESPONSE YOU GIVE. As we can now see we are working under Civil law which translates to Corporate Law as all these bodies are corporations registered as companies, and contract law as to impose any fine or levy upon you they have to get you to enter a contract with them and get you to act for or on behalf of the legal fiction THE PERSON, or for you to give legal consent that you are THE PERSON instead of a man or woman. Avoiding any fine is that easy, don't represent THE PERSON, don't enter into any contract, and they are powerless to impose anything upon you, but they won't give up, they will try anything to get a fine out of you, but by knowing the rules and the law you can actually impose a contract upon them which is legally binding, and actually make a profit from it. How many people realise their car, van, or lorry is owned by the Government via the DVLA? look at your V5 document, when you register a vehicle it becomes the property of the DVLA (another corporation) and you are only the registered keeper, it clearly states you are the registered keeper on the document and the "Title Deed" or "Deed of Title" (legal ownership of the vehicle) has been passed to the DVLA by you signing the V5 document. Can anyone come and crush anything you own? not under Common Law, but having signed away the Deed of Title to the DVLA it becomes their vehicle and they can do what the hell they like with it because its theirs, they own it; and its this authority under the contract you have entered into, often without realising it, that allows them to authorise local authorities and private companies to lift a vehicle and crush it without any retribution. Are your children yours? no, you may have fertilised a woman to create that child, or you may be the woman fertilised by a man or other means such as IVF and carried that child for 9 months and given birth to that child/children, but by registering the birth you gave ownership to the Government when you signed the registration form as a man or woman, surprised? so was I when I found this our several years ago. This gives the Government the right to do what they like with their property, your child/children as you signed away Deed of Title to the Government, and is exactly the legislation they use to allow Social Services to take your child, but their property which they legally own, away from you if they even suspect any form of abuse or neglect, and you have no rights. Has this wetted your appetite to find out more about how we are all duped and conned, how we are forced into contracts with everyone from the Government to local authorities, and how we can avoid them by knwing the rules of the game and avoiding contract law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhWcDRe5GIYThis will get you started, it is 2 hours long so prepare and take a notepad and a couple of pens and a drink as it can be heavy going, but it will give you the tools to avoid unjust fines and understand how and why they're being levied by for profit corporations masquerading as public offices. | |
| | | maadmaan10 Just fitted a Snorkel
Posts : 393 Join date : 2011-12-31 Age : 66 Location : Aldersh*t
| Subject: Re: Is It Legal? not in most cases Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:52 pm | |
| Food for thought............... | |
| | | Assassin Terrain Expert
Posts : 1227 Join date : 2010-12-27
| Subject: Re: Is It Legal? not in most cases Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:44 pm | |
| So, plenty of views and only one response; maybe its a little too contraversial, maybe people are fine with being ripped off and paying fines they don't have to lawfully do and then complain about it as thats the easy option. Now theres an interesting term, easy option, one to remember as it will become prevelant.
If I continue to be a little contentious I could accuse nearly everyone on this site of being stupid and I would be right because most people are and without realising it, so should I quantify this claim? obviously I will as over 99% of the UK's population are stupid because they don't understand the law and their fundamental lawful rights, I will explain. As we are raised we have to do several things such as go to school, we listen to the news and we watch television, we read newspapers and magazines and this is where the indoctrination starts and continues, we accept most of this without questioning it and looking into it. To fully understand this we have to understand business basics as each and every Government department, court, Police force/Police authority, in fact everything related to Government is a registered company except the military and to do business two or more companies enter into an agreement which is then formalised into a written contract which both or all parties consent to and agree to abide by the erms of the contract, they or their representatives thin sign it to make it legally binding.
How does this address the issue of a fixed penalty notice? fair question, but as we are human beings and not a PERSON they have to get us to enter into some form of contract with them, and they use a combination of this indoctrination, our basic stupidity and lack of knowledge about our rights and the law, and many subtle and some not so subtle threats to get us to comply without question, and pay. We must always remember it is always about the money and nothing else, as ABBA once sang "money money money its a rich mans world" how true, no court, local authority or Police force really cares about us, justice, or even right or wrong as its all about money. No local authority cares if they send a FPN to the wrong person, they only care about it being paid and don't care who pays it as they all have budget cuts and have to make this deficit from somewhere, somehow. Basically its a game where local authorities are using us as pawns in their game of revenue generation and I think everyone on here would agree with this, and to understand this we need to look at what they send us when they send a FPN, and we have to remember everything has a legal or lawful conutation, and we must read everything until we fully understand it.
What is a FPN? under law a NOTICE has a legal definition and this definition is clearly defined as an offer to enter into a contract, so what does this actually mean? basically they're sending you an invitation and nothing more but they're crafty as this invitation is double edged, if you respond by filling out the form you've entered into a legal contract by action, fail to respond by ignoring it and due to the way the notice is worded you've also entered into a legal contract by INACTION. So what does this mean, basically its a scam to get you to enter into a contract with them by acting in the manner they want which is by filling in the FPN and signing it, or having an opt out clause which also means you have entered into a contract with them if you ignore it and throw it away, and remember they have some very clever people who designed these notices to catch you either way.
Let me ask you all a simple question, I DEMAND £120 OFF EACH OF YOU!!!!!!! How many of you will send me a cheque for £120? nobody I hope, but thats exactly what local authorities are doing in issuing FPN's, its exactly the same.
If we move this on a little and I demand £120 off each of you and then say if you agree to pay me within 14 days I will reduce the amount to £60 how many of you would pay? hopefully none, but this is exactly the same and proves they know the debt is not lawful as if it were they would demand the full £120 and not reduce it by half. If you owed your local authority a debt of £1000 for work they did for you and they sent you an invoice and you refused to pay, or could not pay, would they reduce that by half? no, they wouldn't because you actually owe them that amount and they would take you to the Small Claims Court for the full £1000 plus any incurred charges.
So what can we conclude from this? a notice is just an invitation, if you fill it in in the way they want then you're in a legal contract with them, ignore it and you're in a legal contract with them, so how do you avoid this alleged debt and not pay? basically you learn the law which is not difficult for a person, sorry, man, woman, or human being of average intelligence, and you ensure you never enter into a contract with them. What you can do is to show the alleged debt is illegal, how do you do that? very simply if you know how, if we apply The Bill Of Rights Act of 1688/9 Section 2 we see an interesting statute which loosely says "Threat of forfeiture or fine before an individual has been to court is illegal and the debt is void" which simply means the FPN becomes void by its own wording. They make a threat of forfeiture or fine and you haven't been to court, and they make other threats such as taking you to court, getting a bailiff to distrain goods, or getting a CCJ (County Court Judgement) against you; how many people would be scared by this? be honest, most people would be but not me as I know my rights and the law.
In reality they have voided the debt by their own actions so how can they take you to court for a non existant debt, how can they pass it onto a bailiff for them to collect a non existant debt, and as for court, well lets just say I called their bluff on this threat once and they retreated faster than a WWII Italian tank, the reality is this simple, they don't want this anywhere near a court with a magistrate or a judge as they are committing fraud and can be fined if you bring a counter allegation. So basically nothing to be scared of then.
How many would like to know more and stop paying these illegal FPN's??????? if people are I will run through it in fine detail, provide the correct letters to write, tell everyone what to say or write, and what not to say and write, in addition you can charge them for your time by adding a schedule of charges and do exactly to them what they are doing to you, and all perfectly legally. | |
| | | roamingman Terrain Master
Posts : 1392 Join date : 2010-12-26 Age : 76 Location : Nearly thier
| Subject: Re: Is It Legal? not in most cases Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:46 pm | |
| I for one would like more information please., | |
| | | andy-lightweight Gate Opener
Posts : 29 Join date : 2012-02-19 Age : 60 Location : northallerton
| Subject: Re: Is It Legal? not in most cases Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:25 am | |
| Well i have read your articles with both interest and a critical eye. Whilst a debate on the theory of the articles would take some time and is not suitable for this forum i would made a couple of observations, If we look back at the law we see it originaly stems from common law, this is agreed by all of us, for example we agree it is wrong kill one another or steal from one another, from this we can see other corridors of the law opening, criminal, traffic, buisness etc. failure to adhere to these laws and sanctions are applied, fines, jail time etc. failure for us all to agree to these terms, well anarchy rules. so laws are passed, the articles read well but you must always back up the theory with case study and president. personaly i think stated cases will outwin. hope this also gives food for thought, so keeping an open mind. | |
| | | Assassin Terrain Expert
Posts : 1227 Join date : 2010-12-27
| Subject: Re: Is It Legal? not in most cases Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:09 am | |
| Andy, this is exactly the ignorance I describe, our laws are not derived from, stem from, or originate from common law, they are common law defined as legislation equally applied to a populas equally, and with the consent of the governed. Under common law its illegal to commit harm or loss to another individual, harm or loss covers everything.
No one is claiming we don't adhere to the rules as harm or loss covers it all and we can be tried and fined for breaching these under common law as this is the law used in every UK court if someone causes harm or loss to another.
Where is the theory? I have used it for over 15 years so I know it works as I have studied it in great depth and implemented it, so only practicality and no theory, and while this may be my variation there are others with other variants of the same legislation applied slightly differently, particularly in the last five years or so where several promonent people have used what I have found and apply it themselves, and even run specialist websites which give this information. There is no legal precedent as what they are doing is illegal under contract law, and unlawful under common law, this is the reason no public body will go near a court of law as any evidence they produce is self incriminating, believe me I have tried to get cases to court and they all suddenly back down. If any of these fines were legal or lawful they would willingly go to court, they would get a legitimate CCJ (County Court Judgement) against a debtor and get a court bailiff (Court Bailiff's have power) to enforce this judgement against a debtor. The fact they won't go to court proves the point and is reinforced by the fact they use private bailiffs to try to enforce their fraud, or try to sell the alleged debt onto a debt collection agency. | |
| | | Assassin Terrain Expert
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| Subject: Re: Is It Legal? not in most cases Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:50 am | |
| Tom Mc now has my article and will E-mail it to you if you forward your E-mail address to him, it contains template letters, what to say and what NOT to say, how to apply fee schedules to people contacting you, how and why this works, and references to specific legislation for you to check the legislation out for yourselves.
If nothing else it will highlight the scam this is, how certain Local Authorities such as Nottinghan and Newcastle are using this as a source of income by lying and other nefarious means, threats, intimidation, and by deliberately ignoring their CSO's and parking wardens when they lie and are caught on camera doing so, it clearly shows what lengths they go to for this income and how they repeatedly break the law themselves in doing so.
If nothing else it educates people to their Lawful rights. | |
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