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PostSubject: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Thu May 31, 2012 11:06 pm

Hi guys haven’t been on here for a short while life got in the way Sad ok so my dilemma I purchased a set of Bearmach Polly bushes at last years LRO show for my 300tdi discovery to be fitted to a set of new radius and trailing arms I have just got to the point that they can now be fitted and on inspecting the bushes I have run into a couple of problems firstly they seem very hard and I worry they will limit axle articulation and be very hard running and shake my fillings out Laughing so is it worth fitting the standard rubber bushes at the chassis ends and Polly at the axle ends scratching chin Also these Polly bushes are of a one piece design and will be an absolute pig to fit so is it feasible to cut them in half like other brands of bush to aid fitting scratch Ore do I cut my losses on these bushes and fit something completely different The truck is used for almost everything road green lanes and some overland any advice and experiences are welcomed many thanks in advance James Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:40 am

Thier are diferant colour's wich do you have, DO NOT CUT THEM. finde someone with a press. they will fit. clinking teacups

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:59 am


Yea I can probably press them in with a vice but its how hard they are is what worries me and I don’t want to limit the axle or get a harsh ride on road all bearmach bushes are blue

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:54 am

As said -DO NOT CUT THEM! You won't find it easy with a vice - you really neeed a 6T press.

You WILL find the ride different once they are fitted. They last a lot longer than the rubber ones, but the price is a harder ride and possibly more wear/stress on other components.
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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:10 am

Can you use some lubrication to help them slide in? - Something non corrosive to the bush tho.

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:14 am

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Can you use some lubrication to help them slide in? - Something non corrosive to the bush tho.

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WD40,sparingly, is okay as it evaporates. Better still a smear of Fairy Liquid.
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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:37 am

Jas they come with grease but other pollys I have fitted in the past have came in two halves and are a softer compound than these bearmach ones hence why I feel they will be to hard and limit the axle articulation :confused:

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:42 am

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Jas they come with grease but other pollys I have fitted in the past have came in two halves and are a softer compound than these bearmach ones hence why I feel they will be to hard and limit the axle articulation :confused:

Could be. I had a set of super pro installed on my old Terracan and the mechanic said they were solid to get in. Some were in two halves and others were one piece.
Give Bearmach a ring tomorrow, they might be able to shed some light on this.

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:19 am

Thanks guys cheers1 but to be honest I think I may fit the standard rubber bushes at least I know they will do the job Wink jas you sold your terracan what did you buy instead

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:05 am

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Thanks guys cheers1 but to be honest I think I may fit the standard rubber bushes at least I know they will do the job Wink jas you sold your terracan what did you buy instead

A 2.5 tdi Mk1 Shogun & a Jaguar S Type 2.7 twin turbo v6 Diesel. Smile Smile Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:33 am

All poly and rubber bushes have a hardness rating called a Shore rating which is the hardness and compliance (flexibility) rating. Many aftermarket bushes have an increased Shore rating to the manufacturers original specifications as they are predominantly for uprated vehicles, but due to an increasing market for standard replacement Shore rated bushes manufacturers are offering the choice by offering various standard and uprated bushes.

Check with the manufacturer that yours are uprated bushes, if so see if they will swap them for a set of standard shore rated bushes which will be the exact manufacturers shore rating, and therefore exactly the same as those fitted to the vehicle when it was manufactured.

Fitting them is easy, lather them in washing up liqiud before fitting them, and heat them before fitting as this makes them more compliant and softer, you can use a vice to press them in or alternatively use a spacing socket with a piece of threaded bar through it and a penny or other large washer on the other end. Pull the bush into position with a nut on the threaded bar and you will feel it click into position, once in position you remove the threaded bar, socket, and washer.
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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:48 pm

Hi assassin I am aware of the shore rating but to be honest its lost on me :confused: I don’t have a problem in fitting bushes its just unusual for polyurethane bushes to be in one piece all the polys I have fitted in the past are of the two halves design to aid fitting and as stated my bushes are very hard even for a poly :shock: I think I am going to get a set of split polys for the axle ends and standard rubber ones at the chassis ends that should aid fitting any future replacement bushes and keep a good ride quality and give good articulation Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:02 pm

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Thanks guys cheers1 but to be honest I think I may fit the standard rubber bushes at least I know they will do the job Wink jas you sold your terracan what did you buy instead

A 2.5 tdi Mk1 Shogun & a Jaguar S Type 2.7 twin turbo v6 Diesel. Smile Smile Smile

Hey Jas what’s that jag like on fuel? I was considering an s or x type as the family run about but fuel costs come into the equation of course Mad we will probably end up with something sensible like a focus doh







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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:35 pm

Alternatively ...



Aslo comes in Land Rover green apparently ... and an optional electric motor! What more could you possibly ask for?

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:04 pm

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Aslo comes in Land Rover green apparently ... and an optional electric motor! What more could you possibly ask for?

Laughing That also looks like a hard ride lol! and the use of the kids as a crumple zone is a nice touch thumbsup

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:14 am

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the use of the kids as a crumple zone is a nice touch thumbsup
That crossed my mind too. Perhaps a bull bar may protect them? On second thoughts, got to think of those poor ol' pedestrians. Could always wrap some steel around them and add a motor, could even call it an a u t o m o b i l e. Think I'll pop off to the patent office next week ... cracking idea Tom!

This time next year Rodney! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:34 am

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the use of the kids as a crumple zone is a nice touch thumbsup
That crossed my mind too. Perhaps a bull bar may protect them? On second thoughts, got to think of those poor ol' pedestrians. Could always wrap some steel around them and add a motor, could even call it an a u t o m o b i l e. Think I'll pop off to the patent office next week ... cracking idea Tom!

This time next year Rodney! cheers [/quote



]If you take the kids bucket off the front it becomes an eco fork lift as the front forks are already their and with a few mods of course the possibilities are endless dragons den idea




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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:20 am

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Hey Jas what’s that jag like on fuel? I was considering an s or x type as the family run about but fuel costs come into the equation of course Mad we will probably end up with something sensible like a focus doh

The S type gets 55mpg average, unless you put down all 210 bhp and then its about 18mpg. It takes 18 seconds to hit 140mph {Tested by me}.
The 2.2d and 2.0d are Mondeo units, same as the x type chassis and gubbins, not a bad motor at all. The S type is Jag's own build. IMO Better than the Merc s class 3.0L and Audi a4 2.5v6 quattro I have owned previous to this, and despite its weight its alot faster and handles alot better. For the money you can't go wrong. But the 2.7 twin turbo v6 is the oil burner to have.

If you are looking at the petrol ones get the 4.2 Supercharged unit stupid . The 2.5 is gutless unless you are hitting high revs but the 3.0 v8 is a sweet compromise. Look to get 25mpg max out of these tho.

As for family run about the x type would be better imo. There is an estate x type AWD with either 2.2d or 2.5 or 3.0 petrol lumps. The S type is about a foot longer and 2" Lower, not as easy if you are constantly around town and car parks. But if you commute, and travel lots there is not many better motors IMO.

And hey, its a Jag.

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:26 am

Hi there,
I have fitted a full set of blue poly bushes to my 110. I used nothing more than a vice and washing up liquid to fit the one piece bushes - it wasn't that bad of a job.

As regards the ride quality I have heavy duty springs fitted as well and the ride is fine, I can't comment on articulation as I wasn't bothered about "extreme" articulation and more about load carrying capability and "gentle" off roading!

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:16 pm

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I have fitted a full set of blue poly bushes to my 110. I used nothing more than a vice and washing up liquid to fit the one piece bushes - it wasn't that bad of a job.

As regards the ride quality I have heavy duty springs fitted as well and the ride is fine, I can't comment on articulation as I wasn't bothered about "extreme" articulation and more about load carrying capability and "gentle" off roading!

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Hi Andy I also have HD springs terrafirma branded and I carry loads also that’s why I didn’t want hard bushes as the springs are hard enough and I didn’t want them to limit the suspension or make it any harder also the two piece bushes are a lot easier to change in the field should I need to what brand of bush are you using? I am now being drawn to some flow flex bushes as they are supposed to be similar to the standard bush in terms of hardness has anybody on here used them and confirm this? James Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:40 pm

Hi there,

pretty sure mine were Bearmach blue bushes, co-incidently my springs are Terrafirma ones and I'm very happy with the ride quality.

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PostSubject: Re: Bush dilemma !!!!!!   Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:26 am

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pretty sure mine were Bearmach blue bushes, co-incidently my springs are Terrafirma ones and I'm very happy with the ride quality.

Andy



Thanks Andy I may just give them a try then at least if I don’t like them they will be easier to remove than the standard rubber type Wink thanks to everyone for their input James cheers1

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