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PostSubject: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:03 am

Over Aggressive tyres, why do we need them?

Long story short I was on a friends private woodland yesterday, filling the trailer with logs I had just cut down.

I run Federal M+S tyres on the Terracan, pulling a trailer full of logs on leafy covered mud. Slippy stuff but there was no drama.

On the opposite side of the woodland field there is a greenlane and just as we were leaving 5+ 4x4's turned up. Most had the patented Simex Extreme Trekker tyre and a few others had the retreaded Interco Bogger. They went across the woodland section several times, slinging mud everywhere and digging up the ruts.

Basically because of the careless aggressive driving on these extreme tyres unless you have 1 foot of ground clearance you will now bottom out in the ruts. The Woodland terrain is trashed. It is impassible now unless you have spent an equal amount of ££££££££ on useless modifications or unless you drive a tractor.

So why do people need these extreme tyres when on greenlanes or byways? The Terracan is not that good off road but if I can tow 500kg of logs on M+S tyres on the same terrain with no drama and minimal ground damage then why do 4x4 owners need these sets of rubber? Especially when most have tow ropes and winches on the front?

Needless to say after seeing what they had done I was censored off yesterday. Talk about fuelling the rambler fire.....

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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:23 am

Thay ar just mindless thugs, censored and do not care about outher people or thier enjoyment. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:20 am

"Talk about fuelling the rambler fire....."


How right you are!!! Personally apart from a VERY FEW green lanes I cannot see the need for MUD tyres except on pay and play sites. I run Falken AT's and I seem to manage even in my likkle Terios Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:02 pm

There are often two sides to an issue, sometimes more.

I would ask why someone uses over aggressive tyres, and why they feel the need for them, are they such poor drivers that they need as much help as possible and do they use a vehicle with overly aggressive tyres as their everyday driver and as an off road vehicle, if the answer is yes to using it as an everyday driver then people are not operating cost effectively, but why. Overly aggressive tyres for road and off road use means they wear very quickly and need replacing more frequently and they offer poor road handling in most conditions as they have much less contact area with the road.

From the other side they may use the vehicle as a second, or hobby vehicle and primarily for off road use and drive only on the road to get to sites or travel between green lanes. Their vehicle may be set up for a range of conditions as they have a limited budget and have opted for an aggressive tyre for the worst conditions they encounter as they can only afford one set of tyres.

Even with any of these scenario's there is no need to be wheel spinning on green lanes and trashing them, if they do damage it takes a few minutes to stop, get out with the shovel, and repair the damage they have done. Other users will appreciate them for not trashing lanes, and the anti's will have no ammunition to throw at us, basically it comes back to a little consideration; it could even backfire on the anti's when they start, if its shown that a number of usuers have reinstated damage they have done it undermines, and cuts their argument to ZILCH.
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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:44 pm

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There are often two sides to an issue, sometimes more.

From the other side they may use the vehicle as a second, or hobby vehicle and primarily for off road use and drive only on the road to get to sites or travel between green lanes. Their vehicle may be set up for a range of conditions as they have a limited budget and have opted for an aggressive tyre for the worst conditions they encounter as they can only afford one set of tyres.

Even with any of these scenario's there is no need to be wheel spinning on green lanes and trashing them, if they do damage it takes a few minutes to stop, get out with the shovel, and repair the damage they have done. Other users will appreciate them for not trashing lanes, and the anti's will have no ammunition to throw at us, basically it comes back to a little consideration; it could even backfire on the anti's when they start, if its shown that a number of usuers have reinstated damage they have done it undermines, and cuts their argument to ZILCH.

Hmmm!! difficult one this, as said above there are always more than one side to all arguments (otherwise it would not be an argument).

I run A/Ts on my daily drive as it spends 80% of the time on road and 20% off but on my Frontera which is a toy and used for green lanes and pay and play I run Kaimen Maletester's, I don't think these extreme treaded tyres do as much damage at low speeds in low box as an A/T which may and I stress may lose grip and spin digging into the ground.

When I look at some milder tread pattern when out on the lanes I see them clogged up and the wheel diameter enlarged by an inch or so, where the more open tread patterns shed the mud and leave it on the tracks if moving it at all.

And lets not forget lot's of the lanes we drive are used by farm vehicles and tyre tread does not get much more extreme than those used on tractors.

I am not saying some more extreme tyre patterns will not damage the terrain but used properly I don't see them doing anymore damage than a less aggressive pattern which is spinning wildly churning up the ground.

You will always get idiots going off piste and spinning wheels digging up the ground but this happens (and they do ruin it for the rest of us) but tyre pattern has no affect on this remember guns don't kill, people do, most of this sort of behaviour I see going on seems to be mostly done by motor cross bike's and the police in some area's actively stop these people and send them back to the roads and away from the lanes.

Well that's my 2p worth so I will sit quietly and wait to get slammed by others

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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:13 pm

"I run A/Ts on my daily drive as it spends 80% of the time on road and 20% off but on my Frontera which is a toy and used for green lanes and pay and play I run Kaimen Maletester's, I don't think these extreme treaded tyres do as much damage at low speeds in low box as an A/T which may and I stress may lose grip and spin digging into the ground."

Very valid point Sir

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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:10 am

+1 for muds. Not the simex variety but chunky none the less. Any tyre that spins will damage a lane. Its down to the driver. A mud terrain tickled along on minimal throttle will do as little damage as an all terrain thats not slipping. I run muds full time as i dont have the spare cash for two sets and cant be bothered changing them. I used to have two sets and ended up leaving the muds on for weeks after an event so thought i may as well have them on all the time and save the muck and hassle of changing them. Unfortunately those members of the public who see 4x4's behaving badly cant differentiated between the responsible and the hooligans so we all get tarred with the same brush.
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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:28 am

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+1 for muds. Not the simex variety but chunky none the less. Any tyre that spins will damage a lane. Its down to the driver. A mud terrain tickled along on minimal throttle will do as little damage as an all terrain thats not slipping. I run muds full time as i dont have the spare cash for two sets and cant be bothered changing them. I used to have two sets and ended up leaving the muds on for weeks after an event so thought i may as well have them on all the time and save the muck and hassle of changing them. Unfortunately those members of the public who see 4x4's behaving badly cant differentiated between the responsible and the hooligans so we all get tarred with the same brush.

Very good point- not all of us can afford extras and you're right about being gentle
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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:44 am


IMO i think that muds tyres like bfg mt are ok, especially if you go out alone. I used the maxxis buckshot mudders last year when i was travelling Salisbury plain alone. But tyres like the simex, interco, baja claws are IMO abit over the top for the ground conditions for tracks and green lanes. Pay and play sites are fine so is competitions especially when these drivers were just poor.


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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:55 pm

Wide, why would you think you would be slammed for posting a reasonable and honest opinion?

One reason i like the site is the people, people who contribute to a discussion and not an argument, and i think its a credit to ALL posters who contribute to a discussion with reasoned and carefully considered points.
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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:22 pm

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Wide, why would you think you would be slammed for posting a reasonable and honest opinion?

One reason i like the site is the people, people who contribute to a discussion and not an argument, and i think its a credit to ALL posters who contribute to a discussion with reasoned and carefully considered points.
I thought exactly the same as I read that. Couldn't have put it better myself Ass (what possessed you to choose a username like that? scratch )

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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:45 pm

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Wide, why would you think you would be slammed for posting a reasonable and honest opinion?

One reason i like the site is the people, people who contribute to a discussion and not an argument, and i think its a credit to ALL posters who contribute to a discussion with reasoned and carefully considered points.
I thought exactly the same as I read that. Couldn't have put it better myself Ass (what possessed you to choose a username like that? scratch )

Sorry lads, I forgot what a reasonable group of people contribute on here, Iv'e spent too long on other forums where people just try and be inflammatory and hide behind their keyboards while insulting and belittling others because they don't have the right kit or should I say the same kit as them. doh

Each to their own I suppose stupid

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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:48 pm

Oh well all that said I'm off to Salisbury Plain now with my mud tyres to show the green oval brigade what Luton's finest can do Very Happy Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:46 am

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Oh well all that said I'm off to Salisbury Plain now with my mud tyres to show the green oval brigade what Luton's finest can do Very Happy Very Happy
BTW, did you ever get back or are you still out there somewhere?
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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:32 am

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Oh well all that said I'm off to Salisbury Plain now with my mud tyres to show the green oval brigade what Luton's finest can do Very Happy Very Happy
BTW, did you ever get back or are you still out there somewhere?

I made it back the same day but I did have a little help from a Range Rover classic as I got the electrics a little wet in a large muddy puddle.

I was the only one with a petrol engine which wasn't very helpful but apart from the water I had no problems.

One of the Landy 90s got bogged down in the mud which I drove straight through and a couple of the others chickened out of some of the water obstacles one due to a holed radiator core which cut his day short.

A great day out and a big thank you to Rich from Bourne Valley off road for leading the party and dragging me out of the mire.


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PostSubject: Re: Over aggressive tyres. Why???   Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:03 pm

Wouldn't be the same without a bit of self-inflicted battle damage; nice one. thumbsup

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